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Originally posted by Just Maggie:
I was wrong about the fact that Cynthia got money only from individuals - I should have looked first.
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Eleanor's Legacy is dedicated to building a new generation of pro-choice Democratic women leaders in New York State. Since its founding in 2001, Eleanor's Legacy has elected over 400 women to state and local office across New York State and equipped over 600 women with the skills they need to run and win.

For more info go to:
http://www.eleanorslegacy.com

The Plumbers and Steamfitters are a union - she has union support.

I fail to see what is wrong with these contributions - so other than the fact that I thought her contributions were only from individuals what is wrong?

I would think support from unions and women is a good thing? I fail to see the ethical issue. I can see a potential ethics issue when money is taken from businesses that can possibly want something from the town but I can't see it from these organizations.

Maggie, very sorry for not checking first

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Originally posted by lawandorder1:

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Originally posted by Just Maggie:
I was wrong about the fact that Cynthia got money only from individuals - I should have looked first.
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Eleanor's Legacy is dedicated to building a new generation of pro-choice Democratic women leaders in New York State. Since its founding in 2001, Eleanor's Legacy has elected over 400 women to state and local office across New York State and equipped over 600 women with the skills they need to run and win.

For more info go to:
http://www.eleanorslegacy.com

The Plumbers and Steamfitters are a union - she has union support.

I fail to see what is wrong with these contributions - so other than the fact that I thought her contributions were only from individuals what is wrong?

I would think support from unions and women is a good thing? I fail to see the ethical issue. I can see a potential ethics issue when money is taken from businesses that can possibly want something from the town but I can't see it from these organizations.

Maggie, very sorry for not checking first

Mold it however you want, I'm sure the organization is a good thing that empowers some women to advance themselves. That's fine, I agree. But you also cannot disagree that this is an extremely left-wing organization that has a track record of being extremely pro-choice.

I do not have an issue with someone who is pro-choice. I would just like to know what the Republicans Ms. Young was visiting and soliciting votes from this past weekend would think of her accepting an enormous donation from an organization that supports such actions. Ms. Young probably did not mention that.

From an organization that supports such actions, to quote Ms. Young, "I pledge to work to preserve the family and community spirit that make our town a great place to live," I don't really see how a pro-choice organization instills that family and community spirt Ms. Young speaks of, nor does accepting money from a toe of the Democratic foot of NYC really speak to community spirit.

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Originally posted by Planner29:
Your argument makes about as much sense as saying..."people shouldn't vote for Paul Sausville because he accepted nearly $5,000 from his deputy supervisor Glenn Rockwood, who through his company Fillpoint makes/distributes video games that are Adult-oriented and involve killing" - or that the "Republicans on the Town Board support abortion because they approved the Saratoga Hospital project and that Hospital refers people to planned parenthood for abortions." Drop the Roe V. Wade talk and stick to the issues that are important to Malta.

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Originally posted by lawandorder1:

I have a hard time understanding why transparency and integrity would not fit in with the issues that are important to Malta and because of the voters Ms. Young is reaching out to.

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Originally posted by Planner29:
wow lawandorder, that's a mouthful...

I don't see how there is anything wrong from accepting money from someone not in Malta. John Hartzell has received most of his money from people living in an around his former home town in northern NY. I don't believe there is a problem with Hartzell or Young accepting out of Malta campaign funds from people or organizations not doing business with the Town of Malta.

The "saliency" is that neither Eleanor Roosevelt Legacy (a committee that is dedicated to helping women become elected to public office) and Plumbers and Pipefitters U.A. Local 773 (which anyone who can search google can see is the union affiliated with Saratoga County Democratic Party Chair Larry Bulman...hmm DA, the COunty Democratic Party rep giving money to a Malta Dem...heII hath frozen over.....) have done or are currently doing business with the Town of Malta, so I fail to see a breach of ethics or "hometown values" on Cynthia's part. I think that's what Maggie was saying, not that it was a situation of absolutes (i.e. she never ever ever does x, y or z).....

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Originally posted by DA:

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Originally posted by Planner29:
wow lawandorder, that's a mouthful...

I don't see how there is anything wrong from accepting money from someone not in Malta. John Hartzell has received most of his money from people living in an around his former home town in northern NY. I don't believe there is a problem with Hartzell or Young accepting out of Malta campaign funds from people or organizations not doing business with the Town of Malta.

The "saliency" is that neither Eleanor Roosevelt Legacy (a committee that is dedicated to helping women become elected to public office) and Plumbers and Pipefitters U.A. Local 773 (which anyone who can search google can see is the union affiliated with Saratoga County Democratic Party Chair Larry Bulman...hmm DA, the COunty Democratic Party rep giving money to a Malta Dem...heII hath frozen over.....) have done or are currently doing business with the Town of Malta, so I fail to see a breach of ethics or "hometown values" on Cynthia's part. I think that's what Maggie was saying, not that it was a situation of absolutes (i.e. she never ever ever does x, y or z).....

Planner, did you know Rankin Construction, out of FT Worth TX, contributed $500.00 towards Sue Nolen's campaign? Rankin built Steeplechase Apts. Are you okay with Sue taking money from them?

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Originally posted by Planner29:

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Originally posted by DA:

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Originally posted by Planner29:
wow lawandorder, that's a mouthful...

I don't see how there is anything wrong from accepting money from someone not in Malta. John Hartzell has received most of his money from people living in an around his former home town in northern NY. I don't believe there is a problem with Hartzell or Young accepting out of Malta campaign funds from people or organizations not doing business with the Town of Malta.

The "saliency" is that neither Eleanor Roosevelt Legacy (a committee that is dedicated to helping women become elected to public office) and Plumbers and Pipefitters U.A. Local 773 (which anyone who can search google can see is the union affiliated with Saratoga County Democratic Party Chair Larry Bulman...hmm DA, the COunty Democratic Party rep giving money to a Malta Dem...heII hath frozen over.....) have done or are currently doing business with the Town of Malta, so I fail to see a breach of ethics or "hometown values" on Cynthia's part. I think that's what Maggie was saying, not that it was a situation of absolutes (i.e. she never ever ever does x, y or z).....

Planner, did you know Rankin Construction, out of FT Worth TX, contributed $500.00 towards Sue Nolen's campaign? Rankin built Steeplechase Apts. Are you okay with Sue taking money from them?

I don't believe Rankin has worked for the Town or may at some point in the future do business with the Town. As far as Rankin being a potential future applicant, anytime they would come up before the Town Board, Sue should disclose that the firm was a campaign contributer, and poll the rest of the board as to whether or not the donation constitutes the appearance of or an actual conflict of interest. Even the appearance, however, should be enough for a Town Board member to abstain or recuse on a potential future application. However, judicially and theoretically, if every member of the board were to receive contributions from a firm, they could not all recuse because there would be no legislators left to deliberate the application. So, in that case, each member discloses their relationship and they go about business as usual....

So DA - is it ok for Paul Sausville to accept ~$4,000 from his Deputy Supervisor, Glenn Rockwood and then have Paul vote in January on Glenn's reappointment? I would think not......