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Originally posted by HB:

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Originally posted by UNHOLY:
I thought God was all knowing and all powerful ...surely if he can create man ....part the sea ..turn people\cities to salt ....he can divert a plane or two.

You are correct - we are not puppets ..no one controls us nor protects us.

I am as low as you can get.
You can spend all day BS'ing about local yocal he said, she said politics .... i could spend all day on how God is a myth and a crutch for the weak.

I WOULD MUCH RATHER LIVE MY LIFE BELIEVING THERE IS A GOD AND DIE TO FIND OUT THERE IS NOT THAN
TO LIVE MY LIFE NOT BELIEVING AND DIE AND THEN FIND OUT THERE IS.

Yeah but... IF there is a unifying multidimensional intelligence that is the essence of us and our reality, then there is no way that you, or I, or any other person at this stage in our evolution can conceive of its motives or its rationel. I'd say that you were born with free will and hopefully a discerning intellect. You should probably use it for the expantion of your concept of reality, rather than chaining yourself down to 2,000 year old voodoo.

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Everyone knows that 9/11 was pertrated mainly by the Jewish Criminal elements that currently run and control our zionist occupational government.

Some unanswered questions:
What happened to building 7?
Why was Thermite residue found in abdundance in the debris?
What about the massive insider stock trading that occured within the 2-3 days prior.
No plane debris was found in Pennsylvainia or The Pentagon.
Among other interesting information. It's all out there for you to explore.
INSIDE JOB

I'm not anti-semetic and I despise the term "the self-hating jew" and although I most certainly do not agree with your entire post specifically the "inside job" portion I must say that your pointing fingers in the right "general" direction. It is the United State's unyielding relationship with Israel that has been the downfall on U.S. Foreign Policy in the Middle East since the recognition of the state of Israel in 1948. It is not a religion that is the culprit but another country, Israel. One that we supply the most aid to per capita each year. A country who we do not require documentation from as to how this aid is used. It is a country that we supply arms to that end up in the hands of our enemies. The dangers of our relationship with Israel outweigh the benefits. If you don't believe me read it for yourself. I suggest starting here: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign written by John J Mearshemier and Stephen M. Walt.

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Originally posted by PoliSci:

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Everyone knows that 9/11 was pertrated mainly by the Jewish Criminal elements that currently run and control our zionist occupational government.

Some unanswered questions:
What happened to building 7?
Why was Thermite residue found in abdundance in the debris?
What about the massive insider stock trading that occured within the 2-3 days prior.
No plane debris was found in Pennsylvainia or The Pentagon.
Among other interesting information. It's all out there for you to explore.
INSIDE JOB

I'm not anti-semetic and I despise the term "the self-hating jew" and although I most certainly do not agree with your entire post specifically the "inside job" portion I must say that your pointing fingers in the right "general" direction. It is the United State's unyielding relationship with Israel that has been the downfall on U.S. Foreign Policy in the Middle East since the recognition of the state of Israel in 1948. It is not a religion that is the culprit but another country, Israel. One that we supply the most aid to per capita each year. A country who we do not require documentation from as to how this aid is used. It is a country that we supply arms to that end up in the hands of our enemies. The dangers of our relationship with Israel outweigh the benefits. If you don't believe me read it for yourself. I suggest starting here: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign written by John J Mearshemier and Stephen M. Walt.

How about this: BIN LADEN SAID HE WAS ATTACKING THE WORLD TRADE CENTER OVER THE US'S SUPPORT OF ISRAEL. It has nothing to do with our "way of life" or "hating our freedoms".

Also, yes, there's a lot more to know about the world trade center and the attack itself.

And no, Bill Clinton's lies didn't threaten our security as much as W's did.

There, now get back to talking about Ruisi's lack of qualifications.

The amazing thing is WE ALL knew they were trying to do massive damage in the US since the first Trade Center bombing in 1994. Yet no one did anything. It didn't matter who was in office (Clinton, Reagan, Bush) and what generic warning was received because if the president trying clamping down everywhere (like we were about to be attacked), the citizens would have freaked and fought it- especially if Bush tried it. This country has a history of not taking threats serious until we're attacked- just look at WW II. We can blame Bush for not, at the very least, trying; but really the people to blame are the animals that killed 3000 Americans that day.
And the proof is in the pudding- there are many today that having forgotten already about 9/11 and are saying there is not a threat against this country. We're heading right back to the September 10th mentality, yet we ALL know there is effort under way to pull off a more damaging attack.

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Originally posted by Mike M.:
The amazing thing is WE ALL knew they were trying to do massive damage in the US since the first Trade Center bombing in 1994. Yet no one did anything. It didn't matter who was in office (Clinton, Reagan, Bush) and what generic warning was received because if the president trying clamping down everywhere (like we were about to be attacked), the citizens would have freaked and fought it- especially if Bush tried it. This country has a history of not taking threats serious until we're attacked- just look at WW II. We can blame Bush for not, at the very least, trying; but really the people to blame are the animals that killed 3000 Americans that day.
And the proof is in the pudding- there are many today that having forgotten already about 9/11 and are saying there is not a threat against this country. We're heading right back to the September 10th mentality, yet we ALL know there is effort under way to pull off a more damaging attack.

First off, Pearl Harbor was a part of the plot to get the US into WWII. We were not involved in military operations until that happened. Known fact is, the Japanese had people waiting for an audience with the president to warn him about the attack and Roosevelt knew that in order to get the people to go to war, we needed provocation.
Secondly, no. There are psychopaths everywhere, but it's the job of the president to keep us safe. Other presidents had responded to such threats in the past and done something about it. It was either willful negligence or incompetence. Being that he spent 40% of hsi time on vacation, I'm guess W lacked the leadership. After 1994, we upped the security situation. There was no excuse for this to have happened.
Thirdly, threats to this country are going to happen, whether from within or foreign. Always have, always will, but it's our job of to defend each other against such attacks without hurting each other and that is the opposite of what happened.

So no, Mike, I reject your supposition that the president couldn't have done something about it, and that we're settling back into complacency. I still have to take my shoes off at the airport to play along with the illusion of security, but it's not going to do anything to protect this country.

Thank you, Whitey. Well said. Including the part about getting through security and what a bit of theater that is.

Whitey,
If it's only an ILLUSION of security, I guess we're still not doing anything to really protect our country then, are we?

You're quite wrong about your statement that Pearl Harbor was a plot to get the US into the war. Actually, it was a plot to keep us out of the war, or more accurately, to destroy our Pacific fleet- we were the only threat to Japan's domination of the Pacific thearter. Their plot to bomb Pearl Harbor was to mitigate that threat.
Yokomoto even knew this was the beginning of the end of the Japanesse Empire, and made the statement that "we have awoken a sleeping giant".
Funny, I don't recall the "upping of the security situation" after 1994.....my memory must fail me. Certainly, then, that should have protected us from 9/11. Of course, probably Bush dismantled all that "upped security", and I probably forgot that, too.

That was the intent of the japanese, but it was the intent of Roosevelt to allow them to attack to pretend to be dragged into the war, since we were already providing support for the allies.

I remember seeing armed national guard troops on my first visit to NYC in 1996. They weren't there just to kick the undesirables out of central park.

I'm saying Bush was at the very least turning a blind eye to the serious threats from the middle east. I'm not saying I don't believe that truthers have a good point to ask for clarification on the details of the government's response so that we can get out of a constant state of fear.

I'm done talking about this in this thread, btw. This is a typical republican tactic, diverting attention from the real issue of the conversation. The only thing maggi ruisi and FDR have in common is they are both lame choices for office... and last names that end in R.